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Lucky to be in India

Posted by Jerry on September 7, 2007

There are times when I am reminded of how lucky I am to be in India. This is one of those times:

Airline sacrifices goats to appease sky god

KATHMANDU (Reuters) – Officials at Nepal’s state-run airline have sacrificed two goats to appease Akash Bhairab, the Hindu sky god, following technical problems with one of its Boeing 757 aircraft, the carrier said Tuesday. …The goats were sacrificed in front of the troublesome aircraft Sunday at Nepal’s only international airport in Kathmandu in accordance with Hindu traditions, an official said.

[HT: Greg at Noodlefood

The question that still remains is, did the technical glitch in the airplane get resolved? I wonder what the mechanic who invariably had to sort out whatever technical glitch had to say about a goat getting all the attention!

Well, just as I was feeling slightly happy to be in India, I remembered this comment left on one of my posts:

proud that we give respect cow as same as our mother coz after mothers milk we have cows milk.
our land is our mother we even give respect to stones , but some countries hav no human values.

Gawd.

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20 Responses to “Lucky to be in India”

  1. Sinus said

    giggle
    Now, I do love my country, blah blah blah, but I admit, we have some very strange habits of worship. I wonder…did any of them passengers get to eat the meat of those goats?? i mean, they might as well have done that…say what?

  2. Oh, Ergo…

  3. Sunil said

    Wow…Ergo..I read your articles on Objectivism and im blown away with your views..Its amazing.

    I’m a follower of swami vivekananda’s philosophy and when i read Ayn rands thoughts and objectivism…its exactly what Advaita philosophy of vedanta is..

    What Objectivist call absolute existence..the advaitist..call it Maya… the principles of both philosophies are same…

    you would find it interesting to read Vivekananda works..it is very similier to Ayn Rands thoughts with an Indian perspective…

    The greatest philosophy of India is advaita and it is called Juana yoga…it was written some 5000 years ago..but i got blown away yesterday when i read Ayn rand work..it is soo similer yet very few people followed it at that time as now..cos its requires lots of rational thinking and reasoning at every step

    Look forward to your blogs regularly now..

    Thanks..Sunil.

  4. Selma (From Tehran, with love) said

    hehe …
    believe it or not there was a similar story here in Tehran too.

  5. Ergo said

    Thanks Sunil. I’m curious to know, exactly what work of Ayn Rand did you read that you “got blown away yesterday”? Also, I’m very doubtful that there is any significant similarities between the two philosophies as you say there is. Perhaps, whatever similarities might exist may arise from a possibly common historical lineage of thought. Objectivism is a culmination of Aristotelian rational thought, and it may be possible that the early Indian thinkers came in contact with the early greek ideas of Aristotle and others. It is believed that greek mathematics had found its way to India through the travels of Pythagoras, among others.

  6. Advaita Vedanta is a bit different than objectivism in the fact that it would even state that the latter is duality. Regardless there are quite a few parallels.

    Gouthum
    MBA, Vedantin

  7. Priyank said

    hmm.. Were the goats served as dinner on the flight?
    – – –
    btw, the Rigveda establishes principles of Geomentry including the one that is now called Pythagoras theorem. Thats about 3000 years before Greek renaissance, probably the Europeans were swinging on trees when the Vedas were composed.

    Knowledge is not monopolized by the Eueopeans or Americans, neither did all of it originate there, Ergo.
    You may cling to your opinions for sure, but atleast care to attempt reading a little about what we had. Just because the Indian works didn’t get published in US or in English doesn’t mean they are BS.

    And the cow comment. Clearly, its ridiculous and not even worthy of thought. You, who can presumably distinguish high art from popular art must know what stuff is for thinkers and what is not.

  8. Ergo said

    Priyank

    “btw, the Rigveda establishes principles of Geomentry including the one that is now called Pythagoras theorem. Thats about 3000 years before Greek renaissance, probably the Europeans were swinging on trees when the Vedas were composed.”

    Clearly, I’m not going to take your word for it. Nor am I going to bother with the accounts of hindu/eastern-sympathetic revisionists about this. You are against the massive tide of evidence that exists if you’re going posit an assertion as such. It’s kinda like that other loony PhD fellow–I don’t care to remember who–who is going around arguing that the Taj Mahal existed before the muslim emperor is credited to have built it, and that the Mahal was actually some Hindu temple or whatever. Yea, sure. You all may cling to your revisionist theories, but don’t expect the rest of us to dismiss a world of evidence over millenia just so easily.

    “Knowledge is not monopolized by the Eueopeans or Americans, neither did all of it originate there, Ergo.”

    I made no such statement or implication. Although, it is abundantly clear that *most* of the early knowledge that forms the bedrock of civilized societies today originated in the West.

    “Just because the Indian works didn’t get published in US or in English doesn’t mean they are BS.”

    I didn’t make any such statement or implication. So, while you may enjoy refuting your own concocted statements, they bear no relevance to what I’ve said.

    “You, who can presumably distinguish high art from popular art must know what stuff is for thinkers and what is not.”

    I have no clue what art–high or low–has anything to do with the cow comment. 😐

  9. “Knowledge is not monopolized by the Eueopeans or Americans, neither did all of it originate there, Ergo.”

    Either way, it’s good to remind oneself (paraphrasing Ralph Waldo Emerson), that: the glory of one’s forefathers, belongs to them, not to you.

  10. Priyank said

    All I was trying to do was to get you to read some more stuff rather than rejecting it under the label of being “Indian” or whatever. You can choose to live in a well, thats fine.

  11. Priyank said

    That guy was some (Dr?) Oak. Yeah isn’t he a funny guy.

  12. Ergo said

    Priyank,

    I particularly dislike readers who presume to know what I have read or not read and then suggest just the most vaguest advice to “read more”, without even offering any specific recommendations.

    I’m not opposed to having people offer me reading suggestions. That allows me the chance to evaluate whether or not I can afford the time to spend on reading it. I don’t tolerate people assuming I haven’t read whatever they have in their mind and then making a vague suggestion that I should read more. (I have just repeated myself, but I hope it’s clear.)

  13. mahendrap said

    Hilarious and pathetic!

    Ergo: If you want to scientifically investigate about claims of ancient Indian knowledge, the site History of Indian Science and Technology would be a good place to start. I discovered it while researching for my post about Calculus being invented in India centuries before Newton.

  14. godpigeon said

    Where ideas originate is fundamentally no importance. Rarely does the originator get the credit. In most cases the one who presents it well and to the most people gets the credit. Regardless, all one ends up creating is a bigendian/littlendian argument when we could be discussing the actual content.

  15. Sunil said

    Hi Ergo,

    I have not read any books on Ayn rand but would love to some day but whatever i could read from your blogs and wikki etc..the principles are very much the same……Im all for objective thinking and advaita and being rational in thoughts….

    India is a very old nation and we had plenty of time than others so…we devised various methods like yoga, tantra etc to get in touch with reality..BUT

    The west just misunderstands what we call God…It just adds juice to our life’s and throws in our heart..too much intellectual learning becomes dry..so our Rishis created character just like Ayn rand novel character to make it more lively..every learned spiritual yogi will agree there is no God..but just absolute existence….which in a way is perfection to be attained..we are in a way faulty and when we correct ourself..we become merged with reality..now call it reality or god its all same..just the semantics..Keep penning

  16. amreekandesi said

    Nepal isnt much different from India. Granted, if an airline did this it would be a major scandal, but we sure have our share of strange customs.

  17. David Musil said

    Ergo, you’ll probably blow your top when you read this, but you’re quoting schoolboy history. It is a well-known fact that the decimal measurement system was invented in India long before Pythagoras. Archaeological discoveries at the site of Lothal in the Indian state of Gujarat attest to this–and they date back to 2500 BC. The inhabitants of these early Indian civilisations also practiced dentistry using fairly sophisticated technology.

    The Rig Veda (c 1300 BC) describes the earth as being a sphere and divides the year into 360 days.

    Amongst the Indian philosophies, atomism and atheism were debated long before Epicurus. There were a series of Indo-Greek kings from Alexander’s attempted conquest who adopted Indian Gods and practiced Buddhism.

    While it is true that Indian civilisation was in a state of stagnation and decline when the British came in, this is more the result of being in a state of civilisation for at least three millennia rather than any racial limitations.

    In the ancient world, the Greeks and the Romans traded with the Indian kingdoms and traded them with respect. It must be remembered, as a side note, that while they were doing this they sneered at much of what is the modern west as being barbaric.

    I could go on, but it is quite clear that your thick skull is not receptive to new ways of thinking even in the face of “objective” facts. I therefore bid you adieu.

  18. Ergo said

    Dearest David,

    Let’s leave the glory of the achievements of our forefathers exactly with them. Now, tell me what have you done, besides claiming to have measured the thickness of my skull (which, incidentally, has nothing to do with one’s intelligence, unless, of course, you believe in mystical mumbo-jumbo like osmosis).

    Actually, don’t bother responding.

  19. Ergo said

    Little David Muesli chose to offer his unsolicited rejoinder on my website. I consider comments from people who have been asked not to make one, spam. So, of course, he’s banned. Duh! In any case, here are his details:

    Email: musilalive@hotmail.com
    IP: 69.112.0.219
    ool-457000db.dyn.optonline.net

    P.S. His network administrator has also been informed:

    Optimum Online (Cablevision Systems)
    111 New South Road
    Hicksville, NY 11801
    USA

    Report Abuse Name: OOL Hostmaster
    Report Abuse Phone: +1-516-803-2400
    Report Abuse Email: abuse@cv.net

  20. All these alleged claims people make about how the knowledge discovered by the West was previously discovered in India thousands of years ago mean absolutely nothing (emphasis added) because of the simple fact that the Industrial Revolution (which radically transformed the quality of life for its beneficiaries on earth) took place in the West and not in the East. Period.

    There isn’t the slightest shred of evidence to prove that the ancient Indians practically applied the scientific and mathematical knowledge they discovered to drastically improve their own standard of living.

    If they had, the Industrial Revolution (which was the culmination of the ideas of the Renaissance) would have first taken place in ancient India instead of Western Europe.

    Bottom line: Human knowledge (of nature as a system of interconnected entities acting in accordance with specific laws) is not an end in itself. It’s only the means to one purpose, namely, the pursuit of happiness in this world by creating and enjoying the values required for living in it.

    As long as people (ancient or modern) arbitrarily consider this world to be some material illusion or ‘maya’, the last thing they will be focused on, is applying the knowledge they discover about (physical) reality to pursue (material) values in it.

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